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Rustad talks energy, education and more in Jordan Peterson podcast appearance

B.C. Conservative leader outlines views in wide-ranging session lasting nearly 2 hours
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B.C. Conservative Party leader John Rustad, alongside Ladysmith Maritime Society president Marnie Craig, speaks in Ladysmith on Tuesday, July 2.

The leader of B.C.鈥檚 Conservatives says there needs to be a conversation about nuclear power鈥檚 role in the province鈥檚 energy future and a review of educational materials he says are designed for 鈥渋ndoctrination鈥 of children.

John Rustad, speaking on an episode of Canadian psychologist Jordan Peterson鈥檚 podcast released Monday, says he also wants to get rid of the carbon levy, which he calls 鈥渁 vain attempt to change the weather.鈥

In the episode, which runs just over an hour and 45 minutes, Rustad and Peterson discuss a variety of topics including his revival of the B.C. Conservative Party as an election contender, energy and education policy, and what they call 鈥渃ancel culture.鈥

Rustad says B.C.鈥檚 education system is 鈥渢eaching kids what to think鈥 rather than how to think critically, and some materials in the system are 鈥渄esigned for more of an indoctrination鈥 than teaching kids important skills.

The party leader also says it was 鈥渃razy鈥 for the former B.C. Liberal party to have banned nuclear power, saying the province needs to have 鈥渁 conversation鈥 about reconsidering its position, tying high energy costs to lower living standards.

Rustad said the ban was 鈥渂ecause of politics鈥 and a means of chasing votes, and that B.C. will eventually need more power and be open to nuclear technologies such as small modular reactors.

Rustad was a member of the B.C. Liberals, now known as BC United, until he was thrown out of the party caucus for downplaying the role of humans in climate change.

The B.C. Conservative Party鈥檚 slate of candidates remains in flux after BC United leader Kevin Falcon last week pulled the party out of the race, urging people to support Rustad to defeat David Eby鈥檚 NDP in the provincial election in October.

Rustad, who spoke to Peterson before the BC United withdrawal, says B.C. needs to learn its energy lessons from places such as Germany, where he says the decommissioning of nuclear plants meant a heavier reliance on fossil fuels that drove up costs and affected people鈥檚 quality of life.

He also takes aim at renewable energy technology such as solar panels, wind generators and heat pumps, saying that such devices are not reliable enough to support base load electricity demand or consumption.

鈥淲ind and solar have their place, but they are additives to our energy mix,鈥 Rustad says. 鈥淭hey鈥檙e not base load. They can鈥檛 be base load.

鈥淲here you can drive down the cost is higher-density energy 鈥 When you look at uranium, the amount of energy you can generate out of uranium is phenomenally better from an amount of material you need as opposed to the other products,鈥 Rustad says.

Rustad also calls the BC Liberals鈥 previous decision to ban nuclear power in the province was an example of politicians who 鈥渃hase where they think the vote is as opposed to standing on the principles 鈥 that are needed to create a good society and quality of life.鈥

鈥淥ften, it鈥檚 not necessarily politics of the right or the left,鈥 he says. 鈥淚t鈥檚 just politics that is willing to actually stand up and say these are the values that we stand for 鈥 and ask people to support that, make the case as opposed to trying to pander to the various political positionings.鈥

Rustad says the current B.C. power grid is almost completely green 鈥渋f you consider hydro power green,鈥 but the province doesn鈥檛 have enough and is already a net-importer of electricity with no plans to build additional dams.

鈥淎nd this is where we actually have to start having that conversation about nuclear, whether it鈥檚 small modular reactors or other types of nuclear technology,鈥 he says. 鈥淲e鈥檙e going to need that power in British Columbia.鈥

On the carbon levy, Rustad says 鈥渋t makes no sense whatsoever鈥 to be 鈥渢axing people into poverty.鈥

He adds that such a charge adds costs to goods from B.C. and Canada that make exports less competitive globally, further cutting into Canadians鈥 capacity to generate wealth.





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